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    There's probably a reason that it only grossed about 900,000 at the box office. Not much for movie standards. Although, it did intrique me as well.


    I also watched this,and thought how great this next generation of young might and could be,this church realized the need for young
    folks to seek and follow god at all cost,I applaud and in in total awe to see these kids effected by the spirit.I wish there was more "grown folks"doing the same thing.Imagine the changes that would happen if we as chritians stood up,wow
    just my opinion


    Thanks for the thoughts me.. its an intersting thing this journey... this is what I Imagine....Imagine how great it would be if people loved other people like Jesus does. Imagine how it would be if Christians didn't have an us against them military attitude. I'm not convinced we need to "stand up". I think we need to Love. Imagine if there was no "agenda" other than Love God and Love other people and that was actually worked out day to day in dealings with God and people. Thats when things will change. I'm not convinced "we" need to take back the things that as Christians we think are ours, because they aren't ( there Gods). We need to love people and make Jesus famous by trusting him, living out his words which means loving other people...all of em.. even the ones who aren't like us.


    Pete, I can imagine that, and what a place that'd be.


    thats all nice and dandy and touchy feely,i mean i love people enough to try to save them,iwasnt trying to put a "military attitute" on things,all i was trying to say is that most men or maybe just me arent that kind or lovey.i try hard to be.i want to be so proactive and aggresive in these day with everthing thats going on with the youth,school shooting,rape,murder
    and the list goes on aanf struggle with being firm and trying to share the love of jesus,its so simple but hard to convay

    Never Again

    Your website sells Bob Whitesel's books. I know Bob Whitesel all too well. He hurt my family and me, causing us great pain at the Jesus People Church in Minneapolis.

    Please read the Minneapolis Star and Tribune article posted below. Perhaps you may reconsider Bob Whitesel as a source of any spiritual truth.

    Minneapolis Star and Tribune
    Suit says pastor of defunct church coerced two women into having sex
    By Kevin Diaz
    Staff Writer
    Mpls Star Tribune

    Two women, former members of the now defunct Jesus People Church in Minneapolis, have alleged that they were coerced into sexual relationships with a pastor of the church, according to a lawsuit filed Friday.

    The women, now married and in their 20's, allege that were "forced and coerced" into sex with the Rev. Robert Barry Whitesel, now pastor of Vineyard of the Lake Church in Wayzata.

    The alleged sexual encounters were reported to have started in 1981 and continued until 1986, after the Jesus People Church broke up and Whitesel moved to his Wayzata church. James Kerr, Minneapolis attorney representing the two women, said they were 15 and 18 years old when the sexual encounters began.

    Whitesel issued a statement last night denying the allegations, at least in part: "As I stand before God, the charges that it was nonconsensual or that it took place in in a counseling situation, or that anyone underage was involved, are blatantly untrue. I can only guess they are fabricated to insure them a greater settlement in a lawsuit."

    Whitesel, who is married with children, also said he had been disciplined and received counseling stemming from the affair. "The board of our (Wayzata) church, in consultation with my psychologist, unanimously voted to restore me to the ministry, after a time of discipline," he said. He declined to say when he was disciplined, and for how long.

    "We, my family and I, can tolerate tribulations, difficulties and hardships," he said. "It's the untruths that bring us great grief."

    The women's allegations are attached to a suit filed by the insurer of the Jesus People Church, the Indiana-based American States Insurance Co., which seeks to escape financial liability in the case. The suit, filed in Hennepin County District Court, also names Vineyard of the Lake Church as a defendant.

    The women and their husbands, all identified only by their initials, contend that they suffered emotional and marital difficulties as a result of the women's past sexual relationships with Whitesel.

    The women are described in their formal complaint as having been "young, professed born-again Christians, who were extremely devoted to the church and to (Whitesel)."

    Their suit contends that Whitesel, who served as youth pastor and choir director at the Jesus People Church , counseled the women and controlled their social lives to the point of dictating whom they could date.

    They allege that he influenced them to have sex with him in both the Jesus People Church and Vineyard of the Lake, and that in every instance the sexual activity was accompanied by prayer, reinforcing his status as an authority figure.

    Kerry said that the women's allegations were brought to the police and Hennepin County authorities in the last year but the statute of limitations had already expired for any criminal charges.

    The Jesus People Church, a charismatic religious organization on Hennepin Avenue in downtown Minneapolis known for its ministry to young people, particularly teenagers down on their luck, folded in November 1985.

    In its suit, American States insurance is contesting its liability under a $500,000 policy with the Jesus People Church. However, the women's cases have not yet been heard in court.

    Peter Bishop

    Hey Never Again sorry for you pain. I don't sell any books ( not sure where you got that from) I did have it listed as a book I just read. I have since removed it. I pray for healing in your family. Thanks for the heads up.

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